Curse

Queenie · Jun 03, 2006, 03:45 AM // 03:45

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Originally Posted by Tuoba Hturt Eht

2,000 Balthazar's Faction for x1 piece of Obsidian Shard and 4,000 Grenth's Faction for x1 Glob of Ectoplasm, how that sound to ya?

Ya, I like that idea

lyra_song · Jun 03, 2006, 04:36 AM // 04:36

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Originally Posted by Tuoba Hturt Eht

2,000 Balthazar's Faction for x1 piece of Obsidian Shard and 4,000 Grenth's Faction for x1 Glob of Ectoplasm, how that sound to ya?

Still sounds too low for me

Tuoba Hturt Eht · Jun 03, 2006, 05:12 AM // 05:12

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Still sounds too low for me

But the values are based off the current market values aye ~

Values might be a bit off since this screen shot is taken yesterday, but it is around there.

Amber / Jadite ~ 2,000
Obsidian Shard ~ 4,000
Glob of Ectoplasm ~ 8,000

We require 1,000 Kurzick / Luxon faction to redeem one piece of Amber / Jadite

So I just did some simple mathematical calculations and got the figures 2,000 for Balthazar's Faction and 4,000 for Grenth's Faction.

Plus, you need to venture forth into their respective domains in order to redeem the Obsidian Shards or Globs of Ectoplasm.

Tuoba Hturt Eht · Jun 10, 2006, 12:54 PM // 12:54

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1. Balthazar's Faction Rewards
- Use Balthazar's Faction to redeem Obsedian Shards
- Only redeemable in Fissure of Woe

Why?
- Obsedian Shards are found in Fissure of Fow
- Fissure of Fow is domain of Balthazar
- Folks who unlocked everything can continue to earn Balthazar's faction

I believe this feature would somewhat bridge the gap between the PvE and PvP.

Why? Balthazar's Faction can be earned in PvP battles, but in order to redeem any Obsidian Shards, the player would have to travel into the Fissure of Woe.

Given the faction limit of 10,000 and the price of redeeming one piece of Obsidian Shard to be 4,000 Balthazar's Faction, the character can only redeem 2 pieces of Obsidian Shards per visit.

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3. Grenth's Faction
- Addition of Grenth's Faction
- Grenth's faction can be used to redeem Globs of Ectoplasm.
- Only redeemable in the Underworld

Why?
- Globs of Ectoplasm drops in Underworld
- Underworld is domain of Grenth

How to earn Grenth's faction?
I suggest:
- all the quests available in the Underworld

I believe this feature would promote players to venture forth into The Underworld as a somewhat balanced team to do the various quests in there, instead of the 2 man farming team we have now.

Discuss.

Imp · Jun 10, 2006, 01:31 PM // 13:31

/yes to the title ones
/no to gaining bal faction in pve
but /yes to the guys idea to rename pvp faction to hero faction so we can have more faction in pve, to do diffrent things with.

But I don't think it is a great idea to be able to pvp all day and buy ecto with that time spent.

Spoony · Jun 10, 2006, 02:27 PM // 14:27

I got an idea for the grenths "cool title".

Pretty easy

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Grenth's R e A p E r!!!

btw, yes to all 5. Something that doesn't kill you, is going to strengthen you.

Tuoba Hturt Eht · Jun 12, 2006, 10:16 AM // 10:16

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Originally Posted by Imp

But I don't think it is a great idea to be able to pvp all day and buy ecto with that time spent.

Again, a fine example of individuals who are unable to read and understand properly.

It is suggested in the first post of this thread, that Balthazar's Faction be used to redeem Obsidian Shards, not Globs of Ectoplasm.

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I removed the 5th idea since it generates confusion for those people who are unable to read and understand properly, plus it is not my own idea, and I did not agree with it.

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This image was taken today, as shown, the prices for the materials mentioned in this thread are still around those prices as mentioned before.

Glob of Ectoplasm - 8,000
Obsidian Shard - 4,000

Hence, I still believe that a fair amount of Balthazar's Faction to redeem Obsidian Shards would be 2,000 Balthazar's Faction, while 4,000 Grenth's Faction to redeem Globs of Ectoplasm.

Plus, the player will have to venture forth into either Fissure of Fow or The Underworld in order to redeem them.

At most, a player can redeem 5 Obsidian Shards per Fissure of Woe visit or 2 Globs of Ectoplasm per Underworld visit.

Discuss.

Sevanyr · Jun 12, 2006, 10:18 AM // 10:18

ugh, I want a moderator to deal with this, NOW.

Tuoba Hturt Eht · Jun 12, 2006, 10:22 AM // 10:22

Mate, my thread was here before yours, and the idea that you suggested was already covered in this thread.

Regarding forum rules, you made a thread about an idea which has been suggested before, and you should use the "Report Bad Post" button if you wish to report this thread.

Tuoba Hturt Eht · Jun 13, 2006, 09:24 AM // 09:24

Removed the idea
"Balthazar's Faction offered as quest rewards in Fissure of Woe"
Because, I believe that Balthazar's Faction is way better off as a measurement of a player's experience in PvP combat.

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Remove the idea "Jadite and Amber collection titles" since it is irrelevant to this topic.

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Updated the first post to include a new suggestion:

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1b. Balthazar's Faction & Balthazar's Platinium Bars
- Use Balthazar's Faction to redeem Balthazar's Platinium Bars for 1,000 Faction
- Redeemable in any PvP Outpost
- one (1) Balthazar's Platinium Bar can be sold to any merchant for 1,000 gold
- Balthazar's Platinium Bar can be stacked like other stackable items, to a maximum of 250 per stack
- An alternative for those who do not wish to venture forth into the Fissure of Woe

Why?
To allow players who:
- have already unlocked everything continue to earn Balthazar's Faction
- do PvP regulary to earn gold doing what they love doing - PvP

Those players who do not wish to venture forth into the Fissure of Woe to redeem Obsidian Shards, can instead redeem a "Balthazar's Platinium Bar" which can be sold to any merchant for 1,000 gold.

"Balthazar's Platinium Bar" can be stacked like other stackable items, to a maximum of 250 per stack.

Discuss.

pah01 · Jun 13, 2006, 09:35 AM // 09:35

/Signed on all. I was maxed out in Propehcies for quite a while and probably lost upwards of 300,000 balthazar faction

What I would like to see is a comment from Dear Gaile telling us this is something that is not stupid or is stupid

I think if This option was implemented in some form - that you could exchange balthazar faction for shards/ectos when you are maxed out and cant unlock anymore I would personally send Gaile some chocolates.

Sam

shardfenix · Jun 20, 2006, 11:07 PM // 23:07

I got to thinking when I was uas before prophecies came out, and am thinking again now that I am 12k away from uas...What am I gonna do with my balth faction for the next X months until nightfall comes out?

Since many many people will be UAS long before chapter 3 is released, how can we get to spend our earned faction? Here are some of my ideas.

5K (3k might be a little more reasonable) faction buys you 1 fame. It's not much, but if you do enough of ANY arena, you're bound to get famous anyway, so it makes sense that you can buy fame by killing large amounts of people.

1k buys you ale or other "trinket" items. Same way that kurz/lux faction gets you rare materials, balth faction can get you drunk!!!

Thats all I really have for now. I would like to get a little extra fame in the 6 months that I will be locked at 10k faction.

Tuoba Hturt Eht · Jun 21, 2006, 12:40 AM // 00:40

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Originally Posted by pah01

What I would like to see is a comment from Dear Gaile telling us this is something that is not stupid or is stupid

Yes, I would like that too. But I believe she would not post replies in suggestion topics, only those discussion topics in The Riverside Inn.

Added Balthazar's Diamond Bars as a redeemable item for 10,000 Balthazar's Faction.

golem bigstick · Jun 21, 2006, 02:06 AM // 02:06

i like the majority of the ideas in this thread, it could open up pvp to more rper's, which is exactly what ANET tried to do in factions.
1a. yes, but be comparable to current market prices, meaning the amount of faction required fluxes to meet market demand.
1b. yes, but faction can be gained alot easier than gold, so this would replace farming in almost every way. ill sign this part if the rewards cost alittle more faction ie. 10k faction buys you 5k gold.
2. sure why not, we have friends of the luxons/ kurzicks, why not this?
3. if the others are to be implemented then this should be to.

i think these are all great ideas on paper, but might be impracticle to the games economy. hopefully ANET can find a way to implement these ideas into the game.

fiery · Jun 21, 2006, 03:32 AM // 03:32

Thought The Zaishen was good at HA as it is....

Kool Pajamas · Jun 21, 2006, 05:43 AM // 05:43

I think some little "trinket" would be cool. Get some ale or an ID kit or salvage kit.

Maybe each 1k faction gets you a "Hero's pin". If you get 3 pins you can exchange it for something like how imperial commendations and the such work.

shardfenix · Jun 21, 2006, 06:27 AM // 06:27

I am fine fame wise. I'm just concerned that many players, including myself, will not be able to get faction because they have already unlocked everything. I was uas for close to 2 months before the factions preview events and I hated it. It doesn't have to be fame, it could be the hero pins that someone mentioned, or ale or other redeemable things. You could even have a title for balth faction that you trade in to a different priest or something. I really have no clue what they could add, that's why the thread is open. Post suggestions, I just dont want to be uas (in case you don't know, that means unlocked all skills) for half a year until nightfall comes out.

Tuoba Hturt Eht · Jun 21, 2006, 08:43 AM // 08:43

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Originally Posted by golem bigstick

1b. yes, but faction can be gained alot easier than gold, so this would replace farming in almost every way. ill sign this part if the rewards cost alittle more faction ie. 10k faction buys you 5k gold

I disagree.

Let us take a look at Random Arenas:

Winning a battle will net you 125 Balthazar's Faction, provided that your team killed all 4 members of the opposing team, and that they did not quit or drop before your team kills them.

If we are talking about 1 : 1 conversion of Balthazar's Faction into gold, that would be 125 gold, or 150 gold (if flawless victory) per battle won.

How long would a battle in Random Arenas last?

First, we have a 20 seconds "get ready" time before the battle starts.
When the battle has concluded, there is another waiting time for the next battle to commence.

We haven't discuss the length of each PvP battle in the Random Arenas.
If it is short, the battle could be over in less than a minute.
However, if it is a long fight, the battle could drag on for quite some time.

Let us say we take an average of 5 minutes per each battle Random Arenas PvP battle, including the starting get ready time and ending waiting time.

In those 5 minutes, what could we do in PvE to earn gold?
There be many choices, many places to farm, and in those 5 minutes, we can earn much more than just a mere 125 or 150 gold.

For example, the minotaurs in Elona's Reach would take way less than 5 minutes to complete, and the gold achieved from each run is much much more than 125 or 150 gold.

Plus, in PvP, we do not always win, for PvE, it is almost a 100% win, unless you got hit by a serious lag spike and is frozen for many seconds.

I say leave the ratio at 1 : 1, PvPers deserved it.

1,000 Balthazar's faction for one (1) Balthazar's Platinium Bar worth 1,000 gold
10,000 Balthazar's faction for one (1) Balthazar's Diamond Bar worth 10,000 gold

Arkantos · Jun 21, 2006, 08:44 AM // 08:44

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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas

I think some little "trinket" would be cool. Get some ale or an ID kit or salvage kit.

Maybe each 1k faction gets you a "Hero's pin". If you get 3 pins you can exchange it for something like how imperial commendations and the such work.

Actually, that sounds like a pretty good idea.

pappayaponta · Jun 21, 2006, 09:41 AM // 09:41

Yes on ALL!

I think its a good way for people who have capped outt of baltahzar faction to get some from it.

Maybe make these "trade-ins" only available if you have unlocked all?